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Simple Math

by: JohnWaltz

Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 14:12:10 PM CDT

(Great Diary John - Keep fighting - Keep Fighting - Keep Fighting - promoted by admin)

I was glad to see many of you at NN10. I also got to run into some great fighters- Alan Grayson and Bill Halter.

I took away from the meetings and discussions something which I think many of us have already realized- health care was just one demonstration of the problems with our party.

We are not just a "big tent" party, but most of us share core values just as fundamental as those of the right. We have given in to the idea that to be a majority we have to become a party with many in our midst that have fundamentally contrary beliefs to these core values.

Our country had a once-in-a-century change to get health care done. We could have passed as strong a bill as we were willing to. Republicans would have opposed a bill that costed $1 and paid that single dollar directly to an insurance company.

We had to do it on our own, and we had to do it right. The fighting that ensued demonstrated that we have taken the wrong approach. Election after election we pick the Blanches and the Liebermans, and then watch as "Democrats can't govern."

Seeing Halter, Grayson, and so many other leaders that have arisen in the last few years shows that the growth, the energy, and the future of our party is somewhere else. We need to stand on our principles, and give Americans a clear choice. Our ideas work better and help real people. They have the support of millions of Americans, which are more powerful than a few special interests.

The new and simple math is that the rules have changed. We are able to be a better government because the balance has tipped between insiders and the public at large thanks to technology and media. It is up to you the public now to use that power and hold your leaders accountable.

We are not anti-business, we are pro-people. Most of the time these interests align, and when they don't (like with health care or the debacle in finance) it is hurting businesses. Businesses can't compete with massive health care costs and when the economy crashes, that doesn't help anybody.

We need to unite around our principles, because that will allow us to get results. Voters, businesses, politicos, and even the media will respect us more for getting the job done. We can then stand behind accomplishments instead of being accused of hiding behind lofty rhetoric.

Here's what I think needs to be done and I welcome your comments-

1. Get out of Afghanistan and Iraq immediately. Stop the waste and invest here at home in education and infrastructure.
2. Get the economy moving with bold legislation not timid junk. This should stimulate small and large businesses, as well as households. If Republicans block it, let every American know that these conservatives just took dinner off the table.
3. Make college affordable for all so we have a smarter and more creative work force that can build our economy up.
4. Fix campaign finance reform. We will not have a real Democracy and good representatives along as money is drowning out facts and the will of the people.

Thank you all for your thoughts and time.

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Vermont legislature passes bill that could pave the way for statewide public option or single payer

by: rossl

Tue Apr 27, 2010 at 18:02:50 PM CDT

Crossposted at DKos

Once again, the states are leading the way on health care reform.  This past week, the Vermont House and Senate passed two versions of a bill that would essentially get a consultant to design three systems for health care in Vermont: something similar to Canadian single payer, something similar to a private system with a public option, and something similar to the recently passed federal health insurance bill.

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Public option NOT like SCHIP and COBRA

by: deaniac83

Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 17:14:05 PM CST

( - promoted by admin)

Crossposted from The People's View.

I believe that it is right to demand an up or down vote on health reform.  I strongly believe that in order to get health reform passed, the House should pass the Senate bill, and the Senate should pass by majority vote by the use of the budget reconciliation process, targeted changes to fix certain areas that are specific budgetary policies (amount of subsidies, putting all states on a level footing on Medicaid funding, and closing the Medicare Part D prescription coverage loophole).

However, there has been what I believe to be a misunderstanding among many who claim that a public option - a health insurance option run by the federal government to compete with the private insurers on the exchanges that the current health care proposal sets up - can also be passed with a simple majority vote via the budget reconciliation process.  After all, SCHIP and COBRA were major changes to our health insurance system, and those were pushed through by reconciliation, right?

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We Are Nowhere Close To a Public Option

by: Curtis Abbey

Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 13:43:21 PM CST

There are daily excited posts on the Daily Kos telling us about the new additions to a letter asking Senate Democrats to agree to vote for a public health insurance option through a reconciliation vote (where they only need 50).

Today's big news Maria Cantwell signed on. I'm all for positivity but this is growing to be absurd. Here is the only list that matters. With 41 Republicans you must not lose 10 Democrats.

Mark Begich
Mark Pryor
Blanche Lincoln
Joe Lieberman
Tom Carper
Bill Nelson
Evan Bayh
Mary Landrieu
Claire Mccaskill
Jon Tester
Max Baucus
Ben Nelson
Kay Hagan
Byron Dorgan
Kent Conrad
Mark Warner
Jim Webb

You gotta have 7 from this list and hold all the rest. Does anyone think that's likely or even possible? We know 6 of them are for sure nos. That leaves the 7 Public Option heroes as Begich, Baucus, McCaskill, Tester, Hagan, Dorgan and Webb?

The other conversation that none of these cheery diaries are having.
What public option would we be getting?

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20 Senators Short Of a Public Option

by: Curtis Abbey

Mon Mar 01, 2010 at 15:47:24 PM CST

We have 30 votes for the public option, but we knew that already. None of them were in question. Now comes the hardest part. The final twenty votes. There's a full list of 29 below the fold, and we must have twenty from it to pass this thing. That is the goal here, to pass a public option. Which public option? No one is really saying, so you have to assume it's the one with an opt-out or opt-in clause that will limit the public option's negotiating power. For sure it's the public option that is not available to anyone who's employer (or state?) offers insurance (no matter how expensive or insufficient that insurance is). It will also be a public option not tied to medicare rates, or you lose Klobuchar and Al Franken's vote. Correct me if I'm wrong but what we're left with is going to be an expensive gov't insurance option mostly for the well off and/or unemployed not in Hawaii, Massachusetts, most of the red states, or Pennsylvania (if they get state singlepayer). Is that still worth fighting for? Probably, as a foot in the door. Is it a huge deal? No.
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What's On Tap for 2010?

by: Curtis Abbey

Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 04:58:10 AM CST

What can we get done, and what should we push for in 2010? I've got a limited list off the top of my head.

Nationally
1. Campaign Finance + Lobbying Reform
2. Wall Street Reform: When the storm is over, we fix the ship
3. Antitrust Action: Improve the DOJ so we can actually go after monopolists. Maybe go after a few? (hint the top 7 richest Americans xWarren Buffett)
4. Want a Public Option? Get five more D Senators in 2010, or get three and by doing so scare two more. (Hurt the corporate media by disproving their meme that Dems are toast in '10?)
5. Jobs bill

Locally
1. Decriminalize Cannabis in California

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The Individual Mandate Is Essential

by: Curtis Abbey

Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 18:27:54 PM CST

UPDATE: Like President Obama I was against the mandate before I was for it. That's because I didn't understand it. Nearly every healthcare economist says you have to have a mandate to make the system work and not be prohibitively expensive. A lot of Kill the Bill Democrats have moved on to saying that the Senate bill will be too expensive for people to afford. Kill the mandate and it will be even more expensive.

An individual mandate is clearly a political loser. Would anyone answer yes to the question, "would you like the government to require you to buy insurance?" But it's an absolute necessity in one form or another. Ezra explains.

Right now, the insurer sets the rules. It collects background information on applicants and then varies the price and availability of insurance to discriminate against those who are likely to use it. Health-care reform is going to render those practices illegal. An insurer will have to offer insurance at the same price to a diabetic and a triathlete.

But if you remove the individual mandate, you're caught in the reverse of our current problem: The triathlete doesn't buy insurance. Fine, you might say. Let the insurer get gamed. They deserve it.

The insurers, however, are not the ones who will be gamed. The sick are. Imagine the triathlete's expected medical cost for a year is $200 and the diabetic's cost is $20,000. And imagine we have three more people who are normal risks, and their expected cost in $6,000. If they all purchase coverage, the cost of insurance is $7,640. Let the triathlete walk away and the cost is $9,500. Now, one of the younger folks at normal cost just can't afford that. He drops out. Now the average cost is $10,600. This prices out the diabetic, so now she's uninsured. Or maybe it prices out the next normal-cost person, so costs jump to $13,000.

This is called an insurance death spiral.

This whole article is worth a read before you put your heart into killing the bill because of the mandate. This defense isn't to say that this bill is wonderful, but it may be the best we can get. Senator Jay Rockefeller says theres a lot of good in here and I'm inclined to agree.

Senator Tom Harkin also defended this bill today saying it wasn't a mansion but it's a starter home. It's got a good roof and a good foundation and we can add on to it in the future. I'm with these guys I think this is the best we can get, and it's a net positive. At this point in time I don't see a movement that's going to bring in 60 votes for a real alternative in '10 or '12 or to bring down the vote threshold to 50+1.

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Bernie Sanders may filibuster if there ISN'T a ROBUST public option for everyone

by: MinistryOfTruth

Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 11:23:33 AM CST

     The ONE Senator that I can safely say is NOT bought off, the one Senator that we can be certain is NOT owned by the banks is Bernie Sanders (I-VT). It looks like good ole Bernie is putting his left foot down on the public option and threatening a filibuster of his own if there isn't a ROBUST public option that is available to everyone in the Senate version of the health care bill.

    I think this is GREAT news, and I'll explain why below the fold, where you can find a full transcript of this video as well.

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Demonstration For The Public Option Thursday NYC, Atlanta + Los Angeles

by: Curtis Abbey

Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 16:50:38 PM CST

Cenk Uygar and the Young Turks who run the best political youtube channel are organizing a rally for the Public Option this Thursday at the home of CNN's headquarters.

The facebook page for this rally is here

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Swine Flu Questions Linger Amidst Vaccinations

by: StateLuck

Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 13:26:44 PM CST

(Interesting perspective on the Swine Flu - Welcome to the Progressive Electorate - promoted by admin)

This flu season has certain seen its fair share of surprises and  antics. There has been a more significant and unavoidable sense of  tension and anxiety this flu season, mostly due to the media's  depiction of a doomsday scenario regarding the Swine Flu. Amidst the  air of speculation and skepticism are parents, families and senior  citizens doing their best to obtain tangible science regarding  inoculation.

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Open Thread Wednesday Afternoon - Best Lieberman Sucks Argument

by: admin

Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 14:25:42 PM CDT

Clammy C wrote the best Lieberman diary of any I've read over at Daily Kos.

His key point to take away -

So what is the answer here?  Well, unless he gets stripped of his committee leadership (won't happen), letters and protests and calls to his office won't do much.  He doesn't care about any of that - and has shown that repeatedly over the years.  He isn't up for re-election for another 2 years, so there is little that can be done in terms of bringing down his approval ratings any more now because we are too far away from the primaries, let alone the general election.

My thought?  Make the story (for now) about him being a puppet of the insurance and healthcare industries.  Now, it is a "Lieberman goes against the Democrats" storyline.  It should be "Lieberman sells out Americans for millions in health care political contributions" or "Lieberman sells his vote and sells out Americans to insurance industry".

Or, even better, some better dirt could be dug up - he has been around for decades and has screwed over too many people for him to NOT have major skeletons in his closet.  

He is in it for himself and himself only.  Make him so toxic that anyone who stands by him or allows him to continue his shameless behavior will be tainted by him.

What are your thoughts? I think this is as dead spot on as we will get on the Lieberman issue. We have no control over him - calls and letters will not work.

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Pawlenty says Minnesota will Opt Out of Public Option if he has his way

by: MinistryOfTruth

Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 10:13:21 AM CDT

    Today on ABC's Top Line, co-host David Chalian asked Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) if he would "opt-out" of the public option for his state if the measure passed. Pawlenty dodged: "Well, I don't know if we would opt out but I personally would like to opt out because I don't like government run health care." But Chalian persisted, and ultimately, Pawlenty said that he would oppose the public option for Minnesota:

CHALIAN: But you would lead a charge in your state to opt out if that was an option available?

PAWLENTY: I think so because I don't like government run health care.

ThinkProgress.org

     Sorry Minnesota. Looks like your Asshat Governor wants you to buy for profit insurance and like it, if you can afford it.

     More, with analysis and my take on the Faux Reform that is the Opt Out Cop Out below the fold.

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MoveOn Public Option ad with Heather Graham

by: Curtis Abbey

Wed Oct 21, 2009 at 13:38:50 PM CDT

Great ad! Interesting choice at the end to show the public option competing with the insurers. I guess that's supposed to reassure anyone who thinks the public option will just take over.

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Rep. Anthony Weiner: Obama Admin "Half Pregnant" with Insurance Industry

by: MinistryOfTruth

Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 17:45:59 PM CDT


    Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) said on Tuesday that the Obama administration is "half-pregnant" with health insurers and pharmaceutical companies, which may jeopardize the success of reform.

     The congressman -- who is a leading liberal voice in the healthcare reform debate -- said that rumored deals the White House has struck with big pharmaceutical companies and insurers may guide them to abandon key elements of reform, such as a public health insurance option.

    "The Obama administration is trying to be, I don't know how to put it, half-pregnant with the insurance industry and the pharmaceutical companies," he told WNYC Radio today. "They're to some degree the source of our problem."

TheHill.com

Bold added by diarist

    I for one APPLUAD Rep. Anthony Weiner's knee jerk Truth Telling. Face it, President Obama has NOT done ANYTHING to fight for a Public Option, without which this is the subsidize and mandate private insurance bill, NOT the Health care Reform that would give Americans Universal coverage that we NEED.

    Without a Public Option you can pretty much throw cost containment out the window, and until I hear the Obama Administration say something, ANYTHING about it, they are very much a part of the problem.

    The goal here should NOT be to hold a historicish signing ceremony so the President can enjoy a 5 point bump in the polls for three months, the point was, I thought, to change the system, but maybe I was misled somehow.

     And if I seem pissed off, it is because I am. I am this close to being homeless and can not find a job for the life of me, so yeah, if I get sick I am as good as screwed. I am a broken leg away from being destitute, and if these Corporatists and so called Democrats won't fight FOR me, they will have to fight AGAINST me.

    Now show me some fight, President Obama. I am rooting FOR you as long as you are working FOR me. I can tell that Rep Weiner and Alan Grayson aqre fighting for me. I can tell that Senators Schumer, Brown and Sanders are fighting FOR me. But what about Obama?

    I WANT Obama to WIN, but I want America's people to win too. If Health Care Reform DOES NOT have strong competition for the private insurers that ensures cost containment, the people who did not speak up for a Publiic Option will be just as responsible as the who fought against it.

    So where does Obama stand? According to Representative Weiner, Obama's Admin is Part Of The Problem. When they become Part of a solution that includes a public option, then I will cheer. Until then, I will fight, and to hell with anyone who gets in my way.

For what it is worth, I stand with Representative Weiner. We did NOT get Single Payer, we didn't even get the chance. This IS The compromise. No more, and no more excuses.

    You can donate to Anthony Weiner, Alan Grayson and other Democrats with GUTS here with Act Blue

    And, in the spirit of FULL DISCLOSURE: What is wrong with me is I am UNINSURED, my job disappeared in Feb and if I get sick I am FUCKED, if there is no Public Option I am FUCKED, and I REFUSE to be fed to the private insurers that FUCKED ME AND MY WHOLE COUNTRY OVER FOR THE LAST 80 FUCKING YEARS.

    I know the Public option won't kick in for years, but I know that the private insurers will jack up prices ASAP. Without competition coming down the road, we are in deep shit, and the party that passes a FUBAR bill without a Public Option will have 55-65% of America ROYALLY PISSED AT THEM.

    The fact is, if we can't get a Public Option with the Presidency, 60 Senators and a HUGE House Majority AND 55-65% approval in the public, our democracy is seriously FUCKED UP.

    I want Obama to do the right thing. I hope he does, but I WILL hold his feet to the fire for it. I urge others to do so too, and I will appluad those who will do so like Rep Anthony Weiner.

    51 Dems with GUTS are worth more than 60 excuse making sell outs any day of the week in my book.

    It is time for President Obama to STAND THE F UP and YEll Louder. If not now, then when?

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Progressive Lunch Links To Chew On

by: Curtis Abbey

Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 14:10:01 PM CDT

#1 South Carolina Needs To Stop The Stupidity by Brian Hicks of the Post And Courier.
Let's get this straight: The White House has allowed first lady Michelle Obama to tool around Moscow, the Czech Republic and even Ghana in the past year, but officials are a little worried about her coming to South Carolina...
A loudmouthed minority of Neanderthals and sore losers have so poisoned the national discourse with their racist rantings, crude jokes and veiled threats that they have sullied South Carolina's reputation more than any governor, congressman or senator could ever imagine.

This is a much needed call for civility and a return to the custom of southern hospitality.

#2 For Profit insurance denies a toddler coverage for being underweight. This is just another of thousands of examples of why the free market can not be left to its own devices with our health insurance. It has failed for decades. We need a public insurance choice.

#3 Fox News is being debated right now in the mainstream. Do they have any redeeming news values, or is there an agenda for the entire network? Greta is defending herself as unbiased, the good people at the Huffington Post have compiled The Ten Most Egregious Fox News Distortions More discussion at Huffington Post

#4 Nicole Sandler, a great Progressive host on Air America discusses medical marijuana and all things marijuana with guest Bruce Mirken of the Marijuana Policy Project. This is in light of the recent guidelines issued by the DOJ to federal prosecutors. They advised not to prosecute anyone who was in appliance with state laws on medical marijuana usage.

#5 Looks like Diaper David Vitter is beating Blue Dog Charlie Melancon in Louisiana by a good margin 47-35 in early polls.

#6 North Carolina Senator Burr touts funds from the Stimulus that he voted against. This is quite a common occurrence these days, I wonder if we could craft a second stimulus of just things like what Republicans have touted in their own districts.

#7 Bernard Kerik, Rudy Guiliani's Chief of Police and Bush's pick to lead the Department of Homeland Security is in jail.

Fox is going after Obama's picks for his cabinet yet I doubt they will mention one from their side who is now charged with conspiracy, wire fraud and mail fraud.

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